tony stark? untouchable? lmaooo bitch pls. when has tony stark ever not suffered consequences by the narrative?? like. how??? what movies have u been watching where anthony edward stark has been untouched by consequences ??? lmao tony??? who’s;
– been attacked by a weapon of his own design that pierces his chest with shrapnel
– endured open heart surgery while awake with terrorists holding him down as his chest is cut open with a stranger’s hand digging inside it in a dirty cave
– had horrific body modification done to him
– had his life depend on a literal car battery (and then the arc reactor)
– been held in captivity and tortured by terrorists for three (3) months
– had his “father figure” paralyse him and quite literally rip his heart from his chest, and mentally torment him before leaving him to die in his own living room
– had to deal with the knowledge that he was slowly dying from palladium poisoning
– flown a nuke through a wormhole into space, expecting to not come out of it alive
– managed to just barely make it out alive after flying said nuke through a wormhole, coming out of it with ptsd and severe anxiety
– had his entire house blown up while he was inside because he impulsively gave out his home address and baited a terrorist –
– majorly fucked up when his intended peace-keeping program somehow became a murder-bot instead by external forces and had to deal with the guilt of all the destruction it caused
– had to go through the entirety of civil war
– yeeted himself into space AGAIN to save a wizard
– been near-fatally stabbed with his own sword by a mad titan on another fucking planet
– lost his son figure who crumbled to ash, slipping right through his fingers (and who just prior to his death, desperately clung to him, begging him to not let him go, but he couldn’t do a thing to save him)
– having to deal with the guilt of knowing that 50% of the universe is now gone because strange traded the time stone to spare HIS life
– now adrift in space with zero hope of rescue, is out of food and water, and is about to run out of oxygen
IN WHAT WORLD HAS TONY STARK NOT SUFFERED ANY CONSEQUENCES ?!!?? I AM SO CONFUSION FFHKDKD ANTIS EXPLAIN
jfc i always lose my shit whenever an anti comes @ me with a “tony stark is untouchable” or “he never gets any consequence” like can yall just???? sit the fuck down and watch a single iron man movie before yall write out some shitty mediocre half-assed bullshit character report? because his entire 10 year story arc was literally just pain and him suffering???
I sometimes think most of the anti-Tony folks are Cap stans who came into the series very late, and probably got most of their information from “Winter Soldier” and “Civil War.” (They IDOLIZE CAWS and call it the “perfect” movie. I mean, it was good – but of course they love it because it’s unadulterated Stucky, not for any deep appreciation of the screenplay or production.)
And then they read the anti-Tony commentary about “Civil War” and believe the old lies about “Serpent Society” and that whole stupid canard, and then the idiocy about RDJ supposedly “forcing” his way into the movie and taking up screen time from…Stucky. Which is, of course, their main beef. All long since disproved – the Russos themselves have said they had to go after RDJ and convince him to be in CACW. But all these folks know is what they want to believe – they’re selective believers. They wallow in the untruths passed around by their own bunch, which is exactly what conspiracy theorists do.
And then they watched the Avengers movies. AND never bothered to go back and watch the Iron Man movies, because now they simplistically hate Iron Man because he was briefly the “antagonist” to Cap. And all they get from the Avengers movies, apparently, is that Tony is snarky and arrogant, because they have no basis on which to apprise the complexity or underlying heroicism and goodness of his character. (Never mind that part about him selflessly carrying the nuke into space.) So – not having even watched the Iron Man movies, they make ridiculous comments like “Tony Stark never suffers any consequences.” I mean, really…??
So, of course, they’re literally missing most of the point of the MCU, which is that BOTH men were right in “Civil War;” BOTH men are heroes, just in different ways; and BOTH men admire and even love each other. And that YES, OF COURSE this whole storyline is leading to a reconciliation and a re-teaming of the two.
This movie made me mad for a bunch of reasons, one of which being the way Tony was treated by everyone, and one of which was the way they had Steve act. I love Steve, and man they did him such a dirty in this film.
This whole thing with the Face Of Judging Disapproval – like, that ALWAYS rankled with me. On what grounds is he assuming that Tony sold black market arms to the bad guy? He only met Tony after the guy had become Iron Man; aka, after Tony and Stark Industries had stopped weapons production – a decision that was triggered because Tony found out about Stane dealing under the table to black market arms dealers. Like, no interaction Steve and Tony have had since A1 has ever implied that Tony would be on board with black market dealings, and if Steve read the back story on Tony (which, its implied in A1 that he did), then he would know that Tony is actively opposed to black market dealings. If he knows anything about Tony, it should be that Tony has always been Very Opposed to black market dealings. So what the hell is with this face??
This movie did such a disservice to Steve’s character by having him treat Tony with suspicion and disrespect from the outset.
Wanda saying “Ultron cant tell the difference between saving the world and destroying it – where do you think he gets that from?” – what steve SHOULD HAVE done is be offended on Tony’s behalf, because UM when has Tony EVER given the implication that he doesnt know the difference between the two things??
The only canon interactions Steve and Tony have had at this point is all that happened in A1, wherein Tony flew a damn nuke into space, knowing that it would probably kill him, in order to save New York, and everything that happened in A2. They dont have any confirmed interaction between Avengers 1 and 2 – none during IM3, and none during Cap2. Any they had are offscreen and can only be speculated about, and can safely be assumed to be generally uneventful, considering that they’re never mentioned in canon.
So where the hell does this “Tony doesnt know the difference between saving the world and destroying it” attitude come from? Because Wanda says that bullshit line, and instead of being like “um excuse me wtf are you talking about,” steve is like “omg ur rite we gotta go stop Tony b4 he does something world-destroying stupid,” which, dont give me that bull.
And I know that it was just setting up the scene for the CA:CW conflict, but its shit, and its lazy, and I dont like it. They could have achieved conflict in CW without screwing up Steve’s character in A:AoU or making Tony out to be some Shady Dude who only hasn’t destroyed the world yet because others have stepped in and stopped him. AoU was badly written.
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Everyone in Peter’s class gets super hyped when they see Spider-Man on the news the day before an exam because that teacher will just coincidentally forget every copy of the test at home, what a shame, guess you all have one more night to study oh well,,,,,, if any of you were doing important things yesterday it’s real lucky you get this extra time to prepare,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Honestly Rhodey’s interaction with with Cap and Natasha in Infinity War had me confused and a bit pissed. Like ok, yeah, maybe he thinks they need Cap and the others, but to be all buddy buddy with them after they hurt Tony is so out ot character.
The only explanation I have is that Rhodey DOESN’T know about what happened in Siberia, about Tony’s parents and the lying, and being left there while injured. Sure, maybe he knows there’s something Tony’s not telling him, but for the most part, it was the accords and their disagreement over them.
If he knew, sure, he would work with Steve and the others, but not before punching him in the face and say “not cool, Cap.” And then continue on a plan.
Oh my god finally someone said it.
I honestly think Marvel wanted to have their cake and eat it too: they wanted the (cheap) shock and drama of the intragroup fights in Civil War but they didn’t want to deal with the emotional fallout and the consequences (read: the lack of trust, the pain, and the terrible state of interpersonal relationships; it wouldn’t be so easy for them to fight alonside each other again). So they didn’t.
They wrecked most of the emotional bonds the Avengers had as a group in Civil War, then pretended like everything was mostly fine in Infinity War, with the only character that expressed any discomfort about the state of things or about the possibility of assembling the team again being Tony, who was therefore once again unfairly depicted as the one that’s irrational and egotistic and should get over himself since no one else seems to have a problem with the idea.
I’m also not happy that they had Tony swallow his pride and decide to call Steve when the obvious solution was for him to give Bruce the flip phone?? Bruce could have called. Anyone could have made that call, but Bruce was an original Avenger and someone Team Cap would trust implicitly if he called saying there was an imminent attack and they needed backup. It would have accomplished the same results without making Tony do something he clearly didn’t want to do, they just wanted to have that scene where he’s conflicted and trying to find another way (which are you seriously telling me he couldn’t think of another way? The man is a genius. If I could immediately think of an alternative, then so could he).
Wonderfully delivered
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FINALLY! I’m not the only one who was so confused about that interaction! Like wtf Marvel? Siberia was not just a brotherly tussle, or a conflict of interests. Steve had the intent to kill – he and Bucky beat Tony down til he stayed down and then left him in a HYDRA base in a disabled suit. TONY STARK WAS LEFT TO DIE. And then a Rhodey welcomes him back like an old friend who’s been on a very long trip. Not to mention triple agent Romanoff who kinda, sorta betrayed Tony too. Again WTF MARVEL!? Let’s not normalize these behaviours, or at least branch out to someone not Tony, let someone else be betrayed and tossed aside next film huh?
The moment people were like “oh shit water benders”
I really loved this episode though, it was an established theme in the show that firebenders are associated with death and waterbenders are associated with life and healing, and up to this point it all seemed so clear-cut, because fire obviously destroys everything in its path while water can put out fires and heals, as we’ve seen particularly in Katara’s case with her natural healing ability.
Then we meet Hama, who due to years of torture and hatred has found a way to turn the classic gentler waterbending ways into a weapon of destruction and manipulation, and honestly I can’t think of a better way to introduce people to the fact that things are never as clear cut as they seem. We’ve thought of waterbenders as the good guys up until this point, so it’s jarring to find out that no, despite stereotypes and traditions, there are always going to be good and bad people in every culture/group, but that’s the point of the entire show.
It’s revisited later too when Aang and Zuko find the Sun Warriors who teach them firebending is not just about death and destruction, but also about bringing warmth to the earth and making plants grow and both Aang and Zuko needed to hear that they weren’t just instruments of destruction and gain confidence from the idea of using firebending to create life and I love it I love this show so much.
strange being gentle with tony cause he knows how hard tony is gonna go on himself when half the universe dies cause he failed to save them
I have this ominous feeling that the apology in Strange’s voice is for what he knows Tony is going to have to go through to save everyone. Like… I’m sorry I’m making you do this. I’m sorry for how you’re going to blame yourself. But I’m also sorry for how my letting making you live is going to hurt you so so badly in the end. I’m sorry for how much worse this is going to hurt you. I’m sorry for not just letting you die… There was no other way.
Actually, this is good scientific thinking. You have a problem, you don’t start with the most complex solution, you start with the simplest solution and see whether it would work. If not, you move on to the next simplest solution and so on and so on.
So, in this situation: The problem is that Thanos needs all 6 stones and they don’t have a lot of time to find a solution. Easiest way to fix the problem is to deny him 1 or more of those stones. Easiest way to deny him a stone in a short space of time? Destroy it.
Given that Tony has dealt with 2 infinity stones thus far, I doubt he thinks it would actually work but the other part of science is the concept of ‘there is no such thing as a stupid question’, especially when presented with new and/or unknown variables. So, even if he doesn’t think it would work, he’s dealing with an object that’s a little bit outside even his breadth of knowledge and he’s talking to people who have abilities he doesn’t, so… you ask the stupid question. Can we destroy it?
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