krusca:

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krusca:

ok but this idea that tony has a massive ego (ie doesnt listen to anyone, thinks hes always right) or not a team player, when in fact, he’s the one hero who’s shown to follow other peoples leads and ask for input, especially in infinity war- tony asking peter specifically if he had any ideas to rescue strange from ebony maw, because tony remembers peter had a good idea with the AT-AT walker reference and taking down giant man in CACW, and on Titan, tony’s overall plan to take down Thanos is his base idea but he obviously listened to Quill with details because Quill knew the GotG member’s powers, and when tony confronted strange on the donut ship about taking the fight to Thanos it wasn’t about ego, this was strange who only cared about protecting the time stone vs Tony who was seeing the bigger picture because he had Thanos in head head since the battle of NY & was standing his ground to protect Earth & the whole damn universe- tony is smart & that means he respects other peoples ideas especially ones that are logical, and he will ask for input from people who’ve proven to have good ideas age or experience be damned… team player? all that and more, he shows all the abilities of team leader

I second all of the above, but also wanted to add that I really liked how they had Tony send Peter home with the parachute. Sure, it didn’t work, because of reasons, but the intent was that Peter not be there.  As someone who had issues with how Tony was written in SMH and CACW regarding Peter, I really appreciated that.  Honestly, Tony was incredibly well written in this movie

Sabre couldn’t have said it better. I felt like SMH Tony was very out of character and the Russo brothers did their best to dig him out of the hole that SMH put him in.

agree to disagree- i felt tony in SMHC was honestly really well done

tony’s never been a dad before, he’s had a terrible relationship with his own so he’s making this up as he goes, and theres the additional factor that he is in fact, NOT peter’s legal guardian- he’s trying his best to keep a kid who runs around in PJs safe, but also not overstep his bounds, on top of the fact that tony does in fact, have his own life and a company to work for.

everything about Tony in SMHC is how parents (or parent figures) arent perfect people, but they try their best to keep you safe anyways, and sometimes they’re right and sometimes it backfires, but the important thing is to learn from every incident & learning to respect your kid as an individual (which is what lots of parents have a hard time grasping).

Tony provides a suit thats provides better protection from the guns and cars Peter puts himself in front of, and Peter (and Ned) deliberately hack the safety protocols Tony’s put into the suit (stuff like instant kill mode, which Tony obvs put under lock and key, but would be necessary for shit like alien invasions down the line). Tony listens to every message Peter sends & when Peter tells Tony about the weapons and Toomes, Tony takes him seriously, says he’ll look into it, and hits up the FBI to handle it. Sure Tony didn’t tell Peter every single update on something that lead to an incident involving federal agents, but he had no idea how much initiative or trouble Peter COULD get into. (also the fact that again, Tony’s never had a kid, goes to show he underestimates the rebelliousness of teenage years, the fact he was in MIT with college kids when he was Peter’s age means Tony has no barometer for normal high schoolers behaviors anyways, and esp not super-powered high schoolers)

The moment where Tony confronts Peter after the ferry was amazing- this is the moment where the idea of personal responsibility is verbalized, an important concept for everyone, but especially for heroes. Peter realizes Tony isnt a flippant adult. When Tony says he’ll take care of things, he means, it, Tony takes Peter seriously & listens to him & has always listened to him. This is the moment where Tony verbalizes the weight of the innocent lives Peter shoulders when he dons a mask, but also the personal responsibility he feels over Peter. Taking away the suit was pretty much like a parent taking the car away from a teen who drove recklessly, which is a reasonable move, but unlike dangerous driving, Peter still feels the call to herosim & fights Toomes anyways.

By the end of the movie Tony & Peter know each other better and understand what kind of person the other is- Peter knowing that Tony feels responsible for him but also respects him & his commitment to being a hero (even worthy enough to be an avenger) and Tony fully understanding the commitment Peter feels in doing the right thing and that he can’t stop Peter because Peter is his own person. Tony can only help guide Peter & make things safer for him thru tech, and even being thrown a curveball because Peter realizes that growing up fast & taking on adult responsibilities (which is what Peter wanted to do at the start) isnt as amazing as its made out to be for lots of young kids. 

SMHC is a coming of age story for Peter, and how he’s trying to balance his teenage years with heroic responsibility, but also a story about Tony literally learning how to be a dad (figure). Tony and Peter act as foils, learning and growing from each other & all of that leads right into IW where we see that growth firmly established (ie. Tony letting Peter help on the ground in NY because Tony knows he’s struggling and needs the help, but making Peter go home when they start going off planet)